15 Year Web Expert and Scam Assassin Helps You!
Invictus7 was sitting in my SPAM box!
I realized I had never checked my SPAM box on Gmail so I thought I would take a look, and I found this email.
Hi Chris,
I read your post about me scamming people, I believe you are  yourassasin from Flippa.
You don’t act like a Christian you claim to be. So much hate and lies from you, it’s disturbing.I believed you crossed the line between just expressing your opinion and defamation.
I can prove everything I said is true and never scammed anyone and never mislead anyone.
I even offer money back if my claims are not true or if it doesn’t work for the buyer.
Is that what scammers do ?I ignored you and did not answer your questions because you attacked me first before you asked
anything, you insulted me first before you even attempted to talk like a normal person. You even violated
Flippa policy and Flippa almost banned you.What you wrote is based on your assumptions, not on facts, just your opinion and foolish belief you are an expert of everything on the internet and that you know it all.
If you stated just your opinion, I would have no problem with that. But you went too far to publicly accuse me of scam and cause negative impact on me personally and defame my name and business, all this without even having any evidence to back it up.I understand you need material for your website, so you desperately looking for something you can call a scam, and in this search for material for your new business venture, you went too far. There are plenty of scammers, posting fake screenshots, fake traffic stats, but you decided to attack me because the way I responded to you and for reporting you to Flippa that almost got you banned.
So now you angry and you made it personal and you went too far. You maybe don’t realize that because you blinded with hate and your belief you know it all. You exploit others for your benefit, bringing others down to have material for your business venture, to try to make you look like some kind of authority and expert on the internet.If you were a honest person and followed what your religion teaches, you would not make such claims and attacks without  verifying the facts first.
I will be nice here and I will give you a chance to reconsider your accusations and resolve this matter without filling a defamation lawsuit against you if don’t have to.
So please respond to this email and state clearly in what way I scam people. What part of my website selling is dishonest ? misleading ? and how exactly my scam works ? how I scam my customers when i offer them money back if doesn’t work for them and if they are not satisfied?
Answer me and I will respond to you and your concerns. Be sure to give me some valid arguments, not just your personal beliefs, your personal beliefs will not stand in court if I decide to start defamation lawsuit.
Show me some facts.For some of my customers I’m often up to 3 AM in the morning to make their wishes, do custom changes for free, help them and teach them. Things that no other seller will do for free.
Is this a scam if I offer them safest and no risk purchase when they can get their money back if not satisfied ?
is this a scam if they can make the money they spend on the site in a few weeks  ? or even longer if they take their time.
Just because you don’t understand where the traffic would come from, how it works and just because you don’t believe me, doesn’t give you the right to make public false accusations against me in order to get material for your scam catching blog business.My customers are happy and they have option to get money back. Who else offers that ? Find me other seller who offers that and has clean record and zero refunds requests. I must be some genius scammer then.
Did you offered money back to your customers if your website you sold doesn’t work for them ? I don’t think so. So it looks like it’s safer to buy from me then from you. At least people can return the website to me if it turns out I lied or overstated something.
As for your question, if they will make money with the sites, any smart person knows that as with any business some will and some will not, that doesn’t mean the business is good or bad.
Some start making money from day one, some will not follow any instructions, some will get some traffic and advertisers quickly and flip it for quick profit.I would like to hear in what way I scam people, so far I did not found any good arguments in what you wrote. In fact I see your lack of knowledge and understanding and your accusations coming from that.
Show me that you are not a fake, and that you are not an angry fool who is doing this to retaliate for me reporting you to Flippa, and  just to have material for his scam catching blog venture. Show me that you are a reasonable person, so far you didn’t presented yourself to me that way.
Step by step, explain to me how I scam people and what gives you the right to call me a scammer publicly,
and why I should I not file a defamation lawsuit ? Do you have some valid arguments ? Â Waiting for your response.Invictus7 on Flippa.
Wow. Quite a rant. First off, I am not even going to address your attacks on my faith or religion.
But, there is really nothing needed be addressed here either as, you are also, in my opinion a liar… So, I guess this is a good time to address one of your points.
I can prove everything I said is true and never scammed anyone and never mislead anyone.
Ok… But here is what you sent to me in a PM (I bolded the key text):
And I stated in my auction description that I’m selling all my sites, I’m not producing any new ones. All my sites and domains were owned by me for many years, and I plan to sell them all until I have zero websites.
So yes I will be listing more sites for sale, sites I owned and operated for past 8 years.
So, is this true? ARE you not producing new ones as you claim? You are only selling them all until you have zero, you are only selling sites that you have owned and operated for 8 years?
You know this is NOT true! So, you lied and misled right there. So, I really don’t feel the need to further engage you. If you want to make a comment here, fine. Be assured I will reply.
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about 3 years ago
Maybe it was a rant, but I did not get mad, it’s your another assumption. Maybe because English is not my first language so I’m not the best writer and you could get wrong impression. But ok, you can interpret it as you wish.
I don’t think I have to explain myself to you, your accusations are like a joke. Maybe I over reacted when I said something about lawsuit for defamation, because it’s not even worth the time and smart people will not see you as an expert just because you claim to be one.
1. I’m not producing any new sites and that’s a fact. You may think I’m producing because you see new ones, but these are all sites that were build from 2002 to 2008.
I had 80 GB hard drive full of templates and sites my company produced for many years, we also owned template business similar to templatemonster concept. I had over 300 sites setup and over 1000 templates, so I could sell till next year without producing any new ones, but I only decided to sell some for a few weeks.
The script rights and rest of my templates were sold in April to a different company anyway, so I do not even have rights to produce any more sites based on the script even if I wanted.
Some sites I sold were operated under the same aged domains they were sold under – all sold now.
Some were operated under different domains because their original domains expired or were sold separately, so a new domain was registered to sell them as a site instead of just a template. That’s not the same as producing a new sites. They were already produced, just required domain change to put them back online.
I understand you may not believe it and that’s fine.
But just for the sake of the argument, lets say it was a lie and I did produce new sites, then what ? how selling them and offering a refund to buyers is a scam ?
You said you never saw a ppc working and making money, you base your scam accusation in what you see and do not see. So are you saying that all the PPC sites out there that still function for many many years are not making money for their owners ?
There are ppc software sold for $5000 , are they also scammers ? Why don’t you write about them ?
According to you, a scam is what you didn’t see work, right ? And you already saw everything, ok Chris.
You don’t know my past, you don’t know nothing about my company, you even have my business name wrong, so everything you say is based on your assumptions, not something backed up by any facts.
2. I did not attacked your religion. You brought the religion into it yourself, it’s you who told me in your Flippa PM that you will pray for me and you were disrespectful at the same time.
If you bring your religion into it and do things against your religion’s teaching, you should not be surprised someone will bring it up to show you are a hypocrite.
Honest person would get the facts first before making accusations and insult people publicly accusing them of wrong doing.
Now you using “you lied, so I won’t engage further” just an excuse to avoid responding to what I said and my questions. What a convenient way to avoid answering inconvenient questions and addressing valid arguments.
Interesting is that you accuse a lot of people of scam, but your friend who posted testimonials for you is involved in MLM, the type of business that scammed more people then any other type of business.
Interesting is that you ask for donations. If you are such an expert as you claim to be, if you know everything about every online business, you should be a millionaire now and you should be the one to give donations, not the one to ask for it.
You even consider selling autoblogs a scam, but there are people that I know personally who make $10,000.
Just because you don’t like something, you have different opinion about something, you call it a scam.
You failed at your site sale, you asked $30,000 for your site, valued it a $65000, it sold for $1000.
So no wonder you are angry now and decided for a mission to make a scammers out of every flippa seller because their sites sell for more then your AUTOPILOT FINALLY GENUINE site.
Your site title was: “FINALLY a GENUINE”
so in advance you basically accuse EVERYONE of being a scammer except you. Only you can bring to people finally something genuine.
You are being ridiculous Chris. Trigger happy self proclaimed scam hunter.
But I understand you have to be to develop this site.
You don’t have any valid arguments against me, you are just trying to produce them by twisting the facts.
You have too much interest in accusing people of scam, it’s your business, so it’s obvious you don’t want the truth and facts. I could be wrong, but it looks like it to me. You would look like a fool now if you admitted you were wrong. So I understand you will keep making a scammer out of me and twisting the facts to achieve this.
Maybe it will help you sell your $30,000 sites for more then $1000 when you convince people every other type of site is a scam, and only your is real and genuine.
By the way, I’m not angry. Now I’m just responding to you more for fun, to see what you will come up with, and what “arguments” you will produce.
I’m fully transparent in what I do, I offer refunds, I even give people sites for free.
You said something about my bubble bursting, no Chris, people in private are contacting me and asking me to setup for them a site like I sold before but with their own domain. Some previous customers even ask me to setup for them another one under a different niche. I could be doing for month if I wanted and people would be happy with my service.
I understand you need content for this blog to build yourself a reputation of an authority of the internet and make people think you are an expert. to satisfy your ego.
Anyway, I’m almost finished selling my sites, probably 2 more weeks. You will probably twist it and make it look like it was you who caused me to stop selling on flippa, and you will add it to your blog as one of many of your amazing achievements in scam fighting.
I won’t be there, but still you can contact me if you want, I can teach you how to be successful on the internet in a honest way, without insulting people, but with a real business, in a short time you will be able to give donations , instead of asking for them
Maybe I can join your friend’s MLM to help him and you build your downline , is it Amway ?
Chris, you can’t win with me when using logic and facts.. I have the facts and the truth on my side. My successful record of running ppc sites network and perfect feedback record when offering my sites. Buyers never lose any money with me, if they decide it doesn’t work for them they know I will give them refund just as I offered in my auction ad.
And that’s the only thing that counts and make dealing with me 100% safe, safer then with any other seller, even you as I dd not remember you offered any refund on your $65000 site that sold $1000.
Nobody ever asked me for a refund.
So all your accusations of a scam are ridiculous.
If you were to present your case in court and asked for some evidence showing I scammed anyone, and you used your “arguments” you presented here, you would be thrown out of court.
You said:
“Remember, this site is full of my opinions, not facts.”
OK, thanks for adding it. That allows you to say wherever you want and accuse anyone of a scam.
The question is, why would anyone take your opinion seriously ?
Your testimonials are by your friends from Multi Level Marketing business.
You ask for donations, you don’t have enough money being such an expert ?
You try to sell a site for $30,000, tell people it’s worth $65000+ and end up with $1000. You can’t even get the realistic value of your site correctly. Probably according to you they are all fools who don’t know what they missed, your one and one genuine site that is not a scam.
OK, I’m being not nice now, and you probably have some great explanation for all this.
It’s just a food for thought for the people who too quickly believe you are an expert, just because you say you are.
How is that for a rant ?
Keep praying for me Chris, you promised.
Maybe I will write something later, maybe not, your accusations are a joke to me, I don’t really see the point debating anything with you. You discredited yourself as being a reasonable and honest person.
Even Flippa almost banned you, now you on a mission. Good luck to you and your audience.
about 3 years ago
Wow, where do I begin with this? I guess I will have to go point-by-point to satisfy you? I can tell you what you could do to satisfy me — send me some of your clients (PPC clients) who are making money and let me talk to them.
Or, maybe you just lied – AGAIN.
Why would you let profitable PPC sites just expire? WEIRD! But, in PM I suggest that your PPC sites are the same, just re-branded under a different domain name. You deny this — but here you admit that they are templates that can simply be changed to match a new domain. So, these are not new sites they are old sites on a new domain? Can you provide me with the matching old sites for each new one? Let me guess – you will say something like it is not worth your time and fail to provide clear evidence to backup your claims.
Then, when you said in your email that you have never misrepresented your sites or lied, you have again lied.
Sure, there are PPC companies that make money, but that is not what I am suggesting. I have never seen one of these pop-up PPC’s do anything. But supply me with some of your clients who are and the case will be closed. Also, supply me with the PPC you were making $50k annually with as you claim.
You fail to show the true scope of the PMs. Want me to post them here? I did not attack you and was not disrespectful, you just didn’t like my message. Also, you fail to mention that I offered to help you free of charge — did I not?
Lastly, even if I failed to live up to the expectations of my Christian faith (which I do often), it does not make me a hypocrite. Christians are not perfect — in fact we know that we are sinners which is why Christ was given by God to die for our sins.
I am addressing them now, but really only because you have posed this argument. If someone is not reliable then there is no purpose in engaging them. Since, to me, you had already shown yourself to be untrustworthy, there was no need to fire a long-winded response.
Hey, something we agree on!! I hate MLM and you can ask Lee or anyone else I have advised on what I have told them when they asked for help on MLM… I bet you would be shocked at the answer. I have been posturing against MLM for a long time. So, what is your problem — that he thanked me?
I give donations all the time, am a Youth Group leader, build and operate non-profit websites FOR FREE, am on the board of several non-profit organizations… In fact, the REASON the “donation wall” exists is because people have WANTED to give me something because they’re unsure how else to express their gratitude for all the work I do for them — FREE OF CHARGE. I don’t ask for donations on my site (if so it is an error, show me WHERE I do this). I simply have a spot for it and say they CAN.
Read my article on in and then comment. You may have friends that make $10,000 (whatever that means), but it is not only about YOU and YOUR FRIENDS. Read my article and you will understand that.
Why do I have to develop this site???..
Most people, far from just me, agree that Flippa has many scams. But, of course, you admit this in your email to me.
Well, then my (very few) readers will read my posts about you and realize that.
Really, what is my business model? This is my business? Admitted I was wrong about what? I sold my site for what people determined what it was worth. Fairly and honestly… People determined the worth to be $1000 and that was the winning bid. But, IRONICALLY, while you claim a money back guarantee (and I am sure you mean it) and suggest I offered no such claim — I BOUGHT THE SITE BACK! And, NO, not because the buyer didn’t want the site and not because he didn’t feel it was worth every penny he paid for it… It is because we talked and I didn’t feel he was at the point in his e-business career where he could take the site to the next level.
Wow, glad you understand that.
So are you suggesting that I am not an expert? Are you one?
Ok, great I am publicly taking you up on this offer and I will gladly chronicle your workings with me here. And, again, where do I ASK for donations?
I didn’t even know my friend had an MLM? Does he? He just has a BLOG about MLMs. Which, again, I wouldn’t even discuss with him and, YES, I told him I thought he should pack up. I think he sells some kind of MLM leads — whatever that is! lol
Win what? Is there a contest I was unaware of? Cool! What is the prize? Buyers never lose any money with you? That is strange because I have had buyers of yours contact me and say they have not made any money — and, since they paid you, they have lost money.
I didn’t add it, it was here from the beginning… However, your (public) promise to refund your customers if they were unhappy only came AFTER we talked as far as I can see.
But, they do not need to take me seriously. This is the internet — I flat out SAY not to give me anymore weight than you give to others. I just post my opinions on things. And, if you’re honest, many of the sites I have claimed to be scams on here have later been proven to be such. This does not, of course, mean I am always correct. I am human and prone to error and can be wrong, just like everyone else. And I have been wrong before!
Really, I only saw one from someone who was involved in MLM — and he actually doesn’t have an MLM business.
I don’t ask for donations. What do you consider to be enough money? And, actually, DONATING A LARGE PORTION OF YOUR INCOME, and offering FREE services to people on the web doesn’t pay very well. It does appear selling PPCs on Flippa does though! But, that being said, I am plenty content in the amount of money I have.
No, the buyer and I have become close. In fact, he was so impressed with what I have done for him he had me do some work for his MOTHER… And they were again so impressed (with the PROFITS they were making) that yesterday I got off the phone with her HUSBAND.
I will keep prying for you. You are a child of the Lord and I am called to love you. I want the best for you and for your family. In fact, I would like to propose this… Let’s chat — not on here… Either on phone or IM and talk to each other with an open and loving heart. I bet we can quickly become friends! So, why don’t you take me up on my offer? If I am anything but kind and graceful with you (although we may disagree on some points) you can call me out here as a liar and it will get posted. I would love to talk to you without the anger we share in this debate. So, let’s chat! If you’re interested let me know and I will provide you with phone number and IM contacts for me.
Looking back over my comments… I do also want to APOLOGIZE. Not for saying that I believe your PPC sites to have no value and to be misrepresented. But, I do apologize for not being as gentile as I should be. I am called to live my life as Jesus lived his. And, although I believe that Jesus made people aware when they were doing wrong, he did it in a loving way — which clearly I have not done. But I am a work-in-progress. Far from carrying the grace of our amazing Redeemer. That is/was WRONG OF ME. I ask your forgiveness for that and hope you can forgive me. I do hope to chat with you soon.
about 3 years ago
And, he has posted yet ANOTHER PPC SITE on Flippa.
http://flippa.com/auctions/93898/1-day-auction—PayPerClick-SE-website-7-ways-to-Make-Money-Great-Business
And ANOTHER Junk Traffic Site
http://flippa.com/auctions/93911/Traffic-Reseller-Website—TrafficLobster-com—great-business
about 3 years ago
And yet, here is another new one…
http://flippa.com/auctions/94214/Great-PPC-site-with-Money-Back-Guarantee-7-Revenue-Streams-and-Traffic-4-Free
about 3 years ago
Oh, look another one established May 14th.
http://flippa.com/auctions/94804/Profitable-Health-Fitness-Beauty-Directory–PayPerClick-SE-7-Revenue-Streams
Again the seller has now claimed he cannot produce any more sites… A very consistent liar at least.
about 2 years ago
Yeah Chris. Even though I’m a Muslim and I don’t even know you, but I totally agree with you that invictus7 is a scammer.
His refund policy is totally a lie, and I bet there is no way I can get my $480 back from someone who lived 8,000 miles apart from me (or wherever he is). He just don’t reply all my messages, even though he’s actively put a new listings.
Sad though that Flippa will doesn’t care about all the customers who got burned, as long as this scammer can give them the success fee.
about 2 years ago
Chris, you told me yesterday that there were not many people who would extend their grace the way I did…
But having read through this case, I realize that your patience extends even further
about 2 years ago
It is sad to see that Flippa doesn’t seem to care much – they seem to be solely $ driven. If you need assistance recovering your money, contact me (use a form on this site) and I will work to help you recover your funds.
about 2 years ago
“I will keep prying for you. You are a child of the Lord and I am called to love you”
“I am called to live my life as Jesus lived his. ”
Chris. what you saying clearly shows you have some serious mental issues.
You are a hypocrite and not interested in any truth or logic, only twisting the facts to have the outcome you want to have, and like any religious freak you use god as a tool.
The saying: “jesus rode an an ass, now asses ride on jesus” , fits perfectly people like you.
So arguing with you is pointless. I’m being foolish just by responding to you and wasting my time.
Any reader should be reminded what you said:
“Remember, this site is full of my opinions, not facts.”
That’s exactly right. NO FACTS, just an opinion of someone who has an interest in building this site and promoting himself as an expert. Someone who almost get banned by Flippa because of me and has personal agenda.
I see you even go as far as to harassing people who bought sites from me, by questioning them on Flippa and again abusing Flippa comments policies.
Anyway, keep believing what you believe and keep writing your BS, only fools will see you as an expert and take you seriously. For me you discredited yourself completely.
As for a refund to Alan above , I would like to see how you help him recover his funds. It would be interesting to see you support a scammer from Malaysia who wanted to fool me, Flippa and PayPal.
They already investigates this case and decided in my favor based on facts and evidence.
Alan is a liar, among his many lies there was a very disturbing one, lied about his son having a cancer and dying, needing money for treatment, but when I offered him free $1000 for treatment and asked him to provide contact info of his doctor or hospital or any proof, he is now quiet about it.
Money back was offered to him if he reverses the damage he did and takes back his lies. He would get $1480 from me total, if he was telling the truth.
So go ahead Chris help him recover his funds.. We will see how you stand against facts and evidence, facts and evidence you like to ignore in your posts on your own forum, but it will not be ignored by Flippa, PayPal and Court if necessary.
As I said, you discredited yourself completely as someone who is intelligent or honest.
Based on your activities, twisting the facts, using god in your “mission” and insulting me, it’s not worth for me to spend one more minute on this blog or any conversation with you. Only naive people will consider you an expert and take you as a honest person.
I think the most disturbing is what you said: “Christians are not perfect — in fact we know that we are sinners which is why Christ was given by God to die for our sins.”
The disturbing is the fact that you are using it as an excuse for your behavior, you think that you being an lying twisted asshole is justified because of christ dying for your sins . Pedophile priests probably use the same “logic” when they abuse children, “hey, we are sinners anyway, and christ already died for our sins, so it’s ok.”
You are a joke to me. I can’t believe I even took my time to respond to any of your posts and accusations.
Anyway, don’t expect an answer from me on any future posts, it’s pointless for me and a waste of time, but if you push it too far, you will pay legal consequences..
about 2 years ago
I’m not lying about my son’s cancer. I don’t need to proof that I’m telling the truth because I don’t need to.
I believe Flippa has removed my negative comment due to your ability to talk and make things looks like in your favor even though that isn’t the truth.
I’m not a liar and Malaysia has nothing to do with this matter. You American always think you’re the greatest, but the fact is you’re only bullying people from small country. Vietnam has proved it. Same with Iraq. Please do not say nothing about Malaysia because you know nothing about my nation.
I don’t want your $1,000. All I need is my $480 back. Please give me my money back, because I don’t make any single CENT and I had followed your instructions.
I don’t know whether you have already send the money and its afloat in PayPal, but if you haven’t please do so because the main reason I bought your website is the refund policy that you offered.
about 2 years ago
You keep saying this again and again… But, like everything else, it is all hot air. You have said you won’t be back – and you come back You have said you won’t sell more sites and you sell more sites. You threaten legal action and none comes. Just refund Alan and he can move forward. He is not the only one to have CONTACTED ME and said you have scammed them.
about 2 years ago
True Chris. He keeps saying that I’m a liar but then he’s the one who lie about his own refund policy.
He can even convinced Flippa to retract back my warning to others using his beautiful-lying-crafted-words. Invictus7 is a truly PROFESSIONAL SCAMMER.
I guess I have to use what’s left in my bank account to pay my son’s hospital bill. Instead getting richer, I’m getting poorer. I have to move on now since there is no way that I can get my $480 back.