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Naveen Gandru www.ysome.com Flippa Scam
Sep 8th
Usually we do not adding someone Story when he attached his story to different website but this time we had to show the world all the information regarding Naveen Gandru and his website www.ysome.com
we still investigate the story and once we have new update will let you know
Message Body:
Hi,I’ve laid out my story at: http://naveen-shailaja-gandru-flippa-scammers.info/
I’m a newebie so this has really hurt.
I’ve got more info like our chat log, a list of many domains he owns, etc.
Any ideas on how to raise the discomfort on him?
Thanks
Orange Soda INC Back Again SCAM ALERT www.OrangeSoda.com
Jun 12th
well my Dear Friend we have so many emails come and go and its look like orange soda inc company never stop scam people
thy keep over changing their customers and thy keep taking money without supply the service ……. DO NOT DO ANY BUSINESS WITH ORANGESODA.COM
FLAGGED BY GOOGLE WITH WWW.ORANGESODA.COM
Apr 30th
We received few emails regarding the company www.orangesoda.com thy running advertisement campaign and also SEO all the old customers from www.orangesoda.com get together and send us letter that explain everything i will post it right now :
LONG STORY SHORT all of them used orangesoda for advertising their website and 1 of them used them for SEO service.
all of them got flag by google because of wrong advertisement techniques and violation of Google guideline and the SEO that was promise To see resole or your money back will never show up any results and also NO REFUND.
thy never call you back only if thy want money money !!!!
what will happen now is that all the websites that was flagged CAN’T advertise with Google no more
orangesoda taking 15% from each $1,000 that you upload to Google AdWord and after we checked the way thy working we found out that if Google charge them $2.1 per click thy charging their customers (orangesoda customers) $2.60 some times even more then that so thy not only get the profit by taking 15% thy also making the money from charging their customers more then original charge by Google witch its fine and legit if thy told their customers but since thy didnt ITS NOT SMELL GOOD.
2 of the nice people that contact us asked for refund since Google flagged the account and thy can’t advertise no more but the account manager didn’t want to refund them thy just want to run the campaign with Bing or yahoo even duo the customers do not want it.
IF YOU INVEST YOUR MONEY WITH ORANGESODA ITS A GOOD CHANCE THAT YOU BE FLAG BY GOOGLE AND ALSO YOU GOING TO LOSE YOUR MONEY ORANGE SODA NEVER REFUND THEIR CUSTOMERS EVEN IF THY PROMISE THY WILL.
STAY A WAY FROM HTTP://WWW.ORANGESODA.COM
lawsuit threat http://flippingethics.com/ letter from Chris Avell
Apr 27th
another lawsuit threat from Chris Avell :
Well, the truth will all come to light shortly as the legal system gets to work. And everyone involved in this website, the harassment of me an my family, will be brought to justice. So far criminal subpoenas have already gathered information on A*** S***, Je** J***, and Abr** Z**. Once the other subpoenas are returned warrants will be issued.
its look like someone can’t sell his websites no more its look like we doing a great job but from where he got those names ??? please if you want to know my information try pinchas bergman…ooopsss…. now you can get a warrants….ohhhh be careful not to get one for your self 
by the way this is his Facebook account http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-Avell/1635986643
makeyourwifehot.com Another Chris Avell Scam
Mar 8th
I received latter from Samuel
i try to order something from this website www.makeyourwifehot.com and i never received it i try so many times to contact the seller/owner of the site but he never respond i told the story to my friend and he said that its also happened to him when he try to order he never received the book or some link so he can download the book
there is a way to get our money back ? i will not ask if THIS ISÂ A SCAM because its obviously one big scam
This is what i think : this kind of websites taking money from Innocent people and thy all ways blame the Internet for example i did place an order with them and i also didn’t received the Ebook i found out that the previous owner of the site was Chris Avell from the company BEFORE TV LLC he used to do it all the time until someone made a really deep investigation and all most track down all his info until he had no choice and he sold the site on flippa (click here for more option)
i think he showed the new owner all the ways how to scam people so he can continue his legacy.
MY ADVICE : if you paid with paypal call paypal and dispute the charge, if you paid with credit card call the credit card company and dispute the charge 99.9% thy will refund you and if you want you can all ways print this page and show it to them.
flippingethics.com is NO LONGER RELIABLE – SCAM Alerts
Mar 6th
The owner of the site flippingethics.com is NO LONGER RELIABLE
Chris Avell is the biggest scammer on the internet, he owns the company BEFORE TV LLC, he is all about buying domains develop websites and doing some SEO and sell them for double or triple then they really worth, lets take for example his site makeyuorwifehot.com he sold it for $4200 when the site only worth $240.
he develop the sites idontgiveascam.com and flippingattics.com connected to each other so he can supposedly catch scammers and he build to him self this empire of lies so his costumers will trust him and wont buy any other websites. he added those websites to his blog so those people wont be able to sell their sites.
after we purchase the site from him we have decided to investigate if his work was really troth or not and we have find out this:
we found out that Mr. Chris Avell own 120 domains some of them are all ready website’s that he have post for sell on flipa.com .
also we find out that anyone hwo try to sell their sites on flippa.com their accounts was suspendet due to his false report therefore he is probably getting money from flippa.com to do it, or he is just afraid from a little competition…
also we find out that he tried to sell both of the sites on flippa.com for $4800 but when i contact him to buy them he told me that he wants $3700 for each one of them and he insist on that price too ,scam or not u decide…
overall if I knew that I would buy a site from someone like that i would never have done it, after I confronted him about that he decided that i am a scammers to, and he decided to post it on the site that I didn’t want to buy from him flippingattics.com.
But I am so glad that i got the site from him so justice can be done,
My name is Pini.B. and my goal is to take real scammers’ like Chris Avell out from the net for good…
Chris Avell from BEFORE TV LLC company flippingethics.com
Mar 6th
What can i say about this guy he have 120 domains he sold more then 100 websites all of them are SCAM
here you can find some of them :
www.dropshippingsucks.com/start.htm
he is selling all of them on fippa.com under the seller ID yourassassin
be careful out there
GetTwitters.com sold by webinnovations on Flippa
Feb 21st
Well, here is a site that doesn’t look too bad on the surface. Cute little site, paypal screenshots of revenue, $1200 per month (profit) with less than 2 hours per week work… Wait, that is kinda a RED FLAG there, don’t you think? This seller is selling a $1200/mth automated profit machine for a but-it-now of under $8000. Of course, if all this is true anyone would be a fool not to buy it.
But, let’s look at this auction…Â First off it was registered on Jan 4, 2011:
We have driven over $2500.00 in sales in the last 60 days.
Since the site hasn’t been in existence for 60 days, that is tough to believe. And the paypal screenshot shows a $600+ payment that does not seem in line with anything they sell on the site.
Also, the site claims a whopping 150 unique visitors per month and $1600 in sales. That is a VERY VERY VERY high conversion rate for any site. Not that it is not possible, but I would have equally VERY VERY VERY strong doubts.
There are in fact a ton of red flags here, but you don’t need to look much farther than this one… In December 2010 the seller m82492 sold the same site with the same listing just a different domain name – addtwitterfollows.com (see link). Notice everything is the same — even the reason for selling:
We are in the middle of a Large Development that will be launching on Jan.1, 2011 so we are selling a couple of our smaller businesses to provide the launch money we will need for our New Project.
Of course they changed the date to March 1st. I will contact Flippa and hope they will do the right thing and suspend BOTH accounts as obviously this guy is trying to pull a fast one. And Flippa wants to protect the buyers.
I Was Scammed by siva1208 selling backlink-seo-services.info on Flippa
Feb 13th
Here is an email I received from someone who felt like they have been scammed…
NOTE: This is a very long read, so I am going to really briefly summarize here first.
Jerold, a man on social security income, bought a website from siva1208 on Flippa that was supposedly making over $10,000 per month. He bought it for $890… Yes, I know, to many of us it would be obvious that if you bought a website making $10k+ per month for under $120,000 something is up, but Jerold was hoping it was simply a blessing. So he buys this site and then the seller tricks him into sending $2000 more — which Jerold has to sell a car to do. And, as you might expect, siva1208 disappears into they abyss and Jerold ends up with nothing but a shattered future. This is one of the saddest stories yet on I Don’t Give a Scam. Jerold’s email to me is below.
IP OF SENDER: 76.115.164.105
URL: http://backlink-seo-services.infoIS A: Flippa Website Sale
Message Body:
I bid on a site on Flippa and won auction paying $890.00. We knew nothing about websites but I heard about Flippa buy and sell so we found this on website. My wife I were very excited because we are retired and on a very limited Social Security Income. The claims made about the revenue made from this site would have lifted us out of the state of poverty. We cleaned what little bit we had in our saving to pay for this. After he received the money he said we need to purchase the domain main domain that he established 11 years ago which is “http://commerceus.com” he said it has lots of search engines and he would it set up for us and we would be making money right away. I told him we little sports car we only use in the summer that I suppose we could sell. He said great sell it so you can buy this site for only $2000.00. We ended up selling the car for less than it was worth on Craigslist so we could get the money to him right-a-way. Here are the”skype” conversation I had with him which that reveals everything (I’ve blanked out my godaddy account info) :
[1/24/2011 1:56:02 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: hi there jerold
[1/24/2011 1:59:47 PM] *** jerold Barton sent Skype.exe ***
[1/24/2011 2:00:24 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: on the left click me name
[1/24/2011 2:00:41 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: than on the right you could type me the message
[1/24/2011 2:03:33 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i can see that you are typing but have not got your message yet
[1/24/2011 2:03:37 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: type and hit enter
[1/24/2011 2:05:07 PM] jerold Barton: Hi, I contacted technical support today and they did a test check and told me that everything is okay now. He help me get the domain completely in my name so the hosting is all that is left and it is up and running now he said.
[1/24/2011 2:05:25 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: oh ok i will check that now
[1/24/2011 2:05:34 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: what is the username and password?
[1/24/2011 2:05:47 PM] jerold Barton: Thank you.
[1/24/2011 2:06:04 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and are you still interested in the travelling website?
[1/24/2011 2:07:47 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: I still can’t login..the passwords are not working…
[1/24/2011 2:07:51 PM] jerold Barton: Just a minute please while I find that information
[1/24/2011 2:08:03 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: Password* and Password*
[1/24/2011 2:09:45 PM] jerold Barton: Password*
[1/24/2011 2:09:59 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: Ok its not working
[1/24/2011 2:10:23 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: the user id is My customer account # is 39****08
[1/24/2011 2:10:33 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: [Monday, January 24, 2011 2:10 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI:<<<39****08
[1/24/2011 2:10:38 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: [Monday, January 24, 2011 2:09 PM] jerold Barton:<<< Password*
[1/24/2011 2:11:28 PM] jerold Barton: You also you need the user name: seobacklinks password* the hosting ip: 184.******.*
[1/24/2011 2:12:02 PM] jerold Barton: Sorry mistake user name: seobacklinks
[1/24/2011 2:12:33 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: hmm it still does not work
[1/24/2011 2:12:38 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: could you try login in
[1/24/2011 2:12:43 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: see if you could login?
[1/24/2011 2:13:37 PM] jerold Barton: I do not know how that is why I have to keep going to technical support. This is very flustrating for both of us.
[1/24/2011 2:13:49 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: go here
[1/24/2011 2:13:54 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: www.godaddy.com
[1/24/2011 2:14:00 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: just click on this link
[1/24/2011 2:14:11 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and once there..on the very top you should see login
[1/24/2011 2:14:46 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: try entering your login details..first is user name or customer id and the next box is for password
[1/24/2011 2:15:05 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and than click on the arrow button..and see if you could login
[1/24/2011 2:16:11 PM] jerold Barton: Siva, I know how to do that much but what do I do next to make sure this is working correctly
[1/24/2011 2:16:23 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: see if you could login
[1/24/2011 2:16:30 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: could you enter the account sections?
[1/24/2011 2:16:40 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: or does it say authentication failed
[1/24/2011 2:17:26 PM] jerold Barton: i will try that right now. I hope I don’t lose you while doing this.
[1/24/2011 2:17:37 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: no i’ll be here
[1/24/2011 2:18:01 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: now the thing is that either your customer id or your password is wrong
[1/24/2011 2:20:49 PM] jerold Barton: I am logged in now. Do you have my correct login it is 390****08
[1/24/2011 2:20:58 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: oh ok
[1/24/2011 2:21:05 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: you sent me the wrong customer id
[1/24/2011 2:21:06 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI:
[1/24/2011 2:21:15 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: the last digit you sent me was 8
[1/24/2011 2:22:00 PM] jerold Barton: I made a typo it is 8 390*****08
[1/24/2011 2:22:12 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: hmm
[1/24/2011 2:22:41 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: here let me show you what is happening
[1/24/2011 2:23:47 PM] *** Call from SIVAKULMAR PILLAI, duration 01:07. ***
[1/24/2011 2:25:03 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: did you see the screen i showed u
[1/24/2011 2:25:10 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i could not talk as i dont have a mic
[1/24/2011 2:25:15 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i shared the screen with u
[1/24/2011 2:26:12 PM] jerold Barton: You do not have my correct password it is bo****10
[1/24/2011 2:26:39 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: you said that your password was Password1?
[1/24/2011 2:26:53 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: so it is bo****10?
[1/24/2011 2:27:37 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: ok finally i am in your account
[1/24/2011 2:27:40 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI:
[1/24/2011 2:27:46 PM] jerold Barton: I thought you were taking about he password to get into hosting and that is Password*
[1/24/2011 2:28:08 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: no i was asking your godaddy login password
[1/24/2011 2:28:14 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: anyway i am loggedi in now
[1/24/2011 2:28:21 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: so now i could go about setting the site up
[1/24/2011 2:28:23 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI:
[1/24/2011 2:28:34 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and also are you still interested in the travelling website?
[1/24/2011 2:30:37 PM] jerold Barton: Yes but I have to sell my car before I can do that. By the way what kind of money will i expect to make from backlink-seo-services.info my first month. Can you give me an idea?
[1/24/2011 2:31:12 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: will be around 16k a month..
[1/24/2011 2:31:43 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: ok i see that you have a hosting account but it is linked with a not.jeroldbarton.com domain?
[1/24/2011 2:33:33 PM] jerold Barton: Are you really serious Siva about that much income? That is the correct not.jeroldbarton.com. I don’t know why they used that?
[1/24/2011 2:35:11 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: ok yes i am serious,but as you know i did not include the old domain to you
[1/24/2011 2:35:15 PM] jerold Barton: With that much income I could come and visit you in Singapore my first month. You would probably wish I was the last person you would want to see after all of this trouble I have been to you
[1/24/2011 2:35:21 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: my old domain itself is 11 years old
[1/24/2011 2:35:48 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: would be great to meet you here in singpore
[1/24/2011 2:36:09 PM] jerold Barton: Why in the World did you let it go so cheaply?
[1/24/2011 2:36:53 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: Well to be frank,i expected more money but as with flippa’s rule..i had to transfer the site to the winning bidder…
[1/24/2011 2:37:16 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: And since the bid amount is so low ,what i did was to not include the old domain
[1/24/2011 2:37:33 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and directed the traffic from the old domain to the new onw
[1/24/2011 2:37:37 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: one*
[1/24/2011 2:38:10 PM] jerold Barton: I have never made that much money in a month is my whole working career. This is a blessing from GOD (Siva).
[1/24/2011 2:38:32 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: No problem
[1/24/2011 2:39:14 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: if you want the actual domain to be transfer to you ..you can get it for a price
[1/24/2011 2:39:52 PM] jerold Barton: Would that be a wise thing for me to do?
[1/24/2011 2:40:03 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: actually yes..
[1/24/2011 2:40:29 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: because all traffic coming to you will be from my old domain which is www.commerceus.com
[1/24/2011 2:40:38 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: which is 11 years old
[1/24/2011 2:40:53 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: if ever let’s say just for example…
[1/24/2011 2:41:11 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i stopped sending you traffic..which i will not do..just an example
[1/24/2011 2:41:17 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: or the domain gets expired
[1/24/2011 2:41:53 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: or if something goes wrong with my hosting account and the domain gets rejected etc etc
[1/24/2011 2:42:01 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: you might lose the traffic
[1/24/2011 2:42:27 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: the reason i did not include the domain was because as you know..the bid amount was really too low for me to do that
[1/24/2011 2:44:03 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: if for any reason,i am not able to renew www.commerceus.com the domain will get expired and all traffic will stop
[1/24/2011 2:44:27 PM] jerold Barton: How much would it cost to actually get the domain name www-commerceus.com
[1/24/2011 2:45:14 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: ok as this is the actual domain and it is established and 11 years old..it could really cost alot
[1/24/2011 2:45:27 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: as the domain name itself is old and expensive
[1/24/2011 2:45:46 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: but maybe if you could offer me your best i can consider about it
[1/24/2011 2:46:11 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: to be frank the domain itself might cost a thousands if i sell it
[1/24/2011 2:47:08 PM] jerold Barton: Well I think I owe it to you because I reveived a very expensive gift
[1/24/2011 2:50:17 PM] jerold Barton: My problem at this time is a total lack of money so this monthly revenue absolutely increditable and the only way I could possibly purchase your 11 year old domain name from you if you were willing to sell it would be through the monthly revenue from the domain I purchase from you.
[1/24/2011 2:51:35 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: well that’s ok …let’s just hope that nothing goes wrong with the directing of traffic to you
[1/24/2011 2:52:00 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: as sometimes it might get messed with the serviers and i should be available to fix the problems
[1/24/2011 2:52:39 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: if i am not around for any reason…lets just say for example..i went away and have to way to use the internet..you might find issues with the traffic and sales
[1/24/2011 2:52:51 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i’m just letting you know all this before hand
[1/24/2011 2:54:00 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: but i understand you financial situation too
[1/24/2011 2:54:45 PM] jerold Barton: What is my part – what do I have to do? I do not have a clue what I will need to do with this newly created domain I purchase from you?
[1/24/2011 2:56:50 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: ok if you want to establish the site as i did
[1/24/2011 2:57:52 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i have spent quite alot on seo serivces,search enigine submissions,buy backlinks,traffic,promotions,advertising,getting the site indexed and ranked high in search engine
[1/24/2011 2:58:04 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and also this might take months to 2 years to happen
[1/24/2011 2:58:35 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: depending on where you get this done or by who you get all this done
[1/24/2011 2:59:17 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: but if you are really intersted i could get my own programmer whos a expert in all this and do it for you and you should expect things to be done in a month
[1/24/2011 2:59:30 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: but again he is also expensive to be hired
[1/24/2011 2:59:54 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: it will all depend on how much you are willing to spend to establish your domain
[1/24/2011 3:00:53 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: just imagine..my domain is 11 years old..how much would i have spent to establish and promote it
[1/24/2011 3:01:22 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: if you had bid about $2000 more i would have gladly transfer my domain to you
[1/24/2011 3:01:40 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: but the bid was too low for me to transfer the domain to you
[1/24/2011 3:02:34 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and if you want to get it established like mine..you will be spending way more than that..there are no cheap methods to really establish a website
[1/24/2011 3:03:57 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and also if i stop promoting the site with my old domain..traffic and sales will eventually fall too..
[1/24/2011 3:04:40 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: that is why it best that you could get the domain transfer to you..so that all this you could do it and not depend on me
[1/24/2011 3:05:09 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: if for any reason i am not able to renew and promote etc etc your traffic and sales will drop
[1/24/2011 3:14:15 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: are you there?
[1/24/2011 3:14:19 PM] jerold Barton: This is absolutely overwelming as I am a beginner that walked into something really big for that you have established for 11 years. Right now it is hard for me to imagine this really happened. I don’t know what to say right now. I would certainly like to invest the earning and do the most intellegent thing and that is to save this presious investment that you work so hard to build. Your ideas for hiring the programmer that you used sold like the way to go to get thing done right ASAP. But again it take money to do that. The only money I will have to be able to use would be the revenue that this site will be producting. We barely had enough monthly income to keep up before this tremenous opportunity came about.
[1/24/2011 3:16:25 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: yes i understand..but i;m just informing you that sales could really drop if i am not around to keep doing what i have been doing all this time
[1/24/2011 3:17:23 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and soon i am going overseas for a opertion and i recently had a mild heartattack and am told to do a bypass due to heavy drinking of alchol
[1/24/2011 3:18:10 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: so i might not be able to be online much …and to establih a site this is the normal things that need to be done as stated above
[1/24/2011 3:25:22 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: Are you there?
[1/24/2011 3:31:45 PM] jerold Barton: Sorry to hear about your health problems. I can relate to bypass heart surgery. I had a 5 bypass in 1999. I am still doing unbelievably well with no problems since then. I am going to need to digest all you have wrtiten today and make some wise decisions. Especially since you will be going overseas for the operation. I sure appreciate all you have done and after reading all of this I am going to need to consider the options you have kindly offered today. I MOST appreciate what you are doing for me. I pray that your operation will be as successful as mine was. These great heart Doctors are increditable these days. Because these kind of proceedures were not available and not heard of 30 years ago my Father die at 52 years old.
[1/24/2011 3:32:38 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: thank you.i hope so too
[1/24/2011 3:34:03 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i can understand your situation..too. and as you see already your bid was low..and now on top of that i will still have to monthly sometimes weekly spent my own money to maintain the promotions,submissinos,backlinks,advertisments,adwords for my domain
[1/24/2011 3:34:28 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and if i am not around to do it..your sales might eventually come to a drop
[1/24/2011 3:37:09 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: but to be really frank with you,if you are not able to get my old domain and want to keep on with this new domain and if i am not around to keep renewing so many of those things ..you will find a hard time getting sales.
[1/24/2011 3:38:25 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: there are so many things that need attention and must get renewed or expiring soon..thousands of links,hundreds of search engines i have submitted my old domain with
[1/24/2011 3:39:06 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and i have to use my own money to keep ordering them and renewing them now too
[1/24/2011 3:42:57 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: so please let me know what you have decided
[1/24/2011 3:43:41 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: as just for the promotions,advertisements,orders for submission etc etc a month is $600-800
[1/24/2011 3:43:50 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: will comes to your bid amount nearly
[1/24/2011 3:44:35 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: it’s almost like i’m giving away the site for free …if you could get what i mean
[1/24/2011 3:45:45 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and once i have transferd the site to you ,all you have to do is change the admin login details and i wll never be able to log in to this website again.
[1/24/2011 3:45:51 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: so i am also worried
[1/24/2011 3:50:33 PM] jerold Barton: I am willing to pay you a fair compensation out of the monies I will be receiving from the website proceeds. For any of your out of pocket expenses and the time you spend helping to keep this up and running for me. With you health condition the way it is PLEASE don’t worry. I am a honest man and I will be fair and compensate you for your help.
[1/24/2011 3:51:04 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: but as of now i am spending my own money
[1/24/2011 3:51:13 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i find that this is not a fair deal for me too
[1/24/2011 3:51:42 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: just yesterday and today i renew 3 search engine submission,and 2 backlink orders
[1/24/2011 3:52:01 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: costing me $250
[1/24/2011 3:52:45 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: as there are so many search engines and other orders that expire on any given day or week till that time i have to spent for this..
[1/24/2011 3:53:04 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: If i stop doing this you will see a drop in sales
[1/24/2011 3:53:07 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and traffic
[1/24/2011 3:54:17 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and frankly with out my domain..if you want to establih is own your own you will not see even 1 sale happening for a long time
[1/24/2011 4:01:10 PM] jerold Barton: I will absoluely compensate you for any of these expenses and for your time. This will have to come out of the revenue from this website inoder to do this. Please keep a current accounting of all the expenses that you are incurring that has to do with keeping my site I purchase from you going. I will compensate you for this plus the time you are spending to this for me. Please be easy on your heart and don’t worry because your heart can’t take all that stress. You are dealing with a person that will do right by you.
[1/24/2011 4:02:37 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i dont know what to say
[1/24/2011 4:03:19 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: you really need to compensate me now as i can;t be spending on it as of now..
[1/24/2011 4:03:33 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: it’s not fair for me and i need the money and thats the reason i sold this site
[1/24/2011 4:03:46 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and it was sold for so low priced
[1/24/2011 4:04:14 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: And you might just disapper from paying me
[1/24/2011 4:04:32 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: only yours words stand..besides that i could and would not be able to do anything
[1/24/2011 4:04:43 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: you are in a different country and so am i
[1/24/2011 4:05:00 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i have had my bad experiences simialr to this
[1/24/2011 4:05:30 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i strongly suggest you buy this domain from me and handle everything on your own
[1/24/2011 4:05:35 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: that would be the best option
[1/24/2011 4:12:32 PM] jerold Barton: I understand where you are coming from. Do you understand where I am coming from We barely make enough now to keep our current bills paid. We only have $700 left in our saving account RIGHT NOW. This is all we have for back up money except a few older cars we own a 1998 Toyota and a 1996 Mazda Protogy and a 1991 Mazda Miata. We are both on Social Security with a combination monthly income of $1,518.
[1/24/2011 4:13:53 PM] jerold Barton: The only place any other income will come from will be the website I purchase from you and this where the money will need to come from to compensate you.
[1/24/2011 4:14:14 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: do you really think it’s fair?
[1/24/2011 4:14:42 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: If everthing has to come from the revenue..i could have sold the site to you for free
[1/24/2011 4:14:58 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: so what profit is there for me?
[1/24/2011 4:15:55 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and already i am spending on the maintaining of the site. and i understand your situation..but you have to do something about this.
[1/24/2011 4:16:48 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: if you are expecting to earn 16k a month just by spending $890 i think you are being unreasonalbe.
[1/24/2011 4:17:38 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: if that is the case than what i can do now is refund you the money that you paid for the site
[1/24/2011 4:18:42 PM] jerold Barton: I just don’t understand what you are saying. What are you asking me to do?
[1/24/2011 4:20:16 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: You need to pay me about another $2000 atleast so that i could transfer my old domain to you and you can handle all the promotions,spending..as it’s not really fair for me to do it with my own money and you might dissaper with my site and never pay me for it. it will really be a big loss for me
[1/24/2011 4:20:35 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i really find this unreasonable
[1/24/2011 4:22:02 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and in about 10 days time i’m going for the bypass and i might not be able to come online and look after the on-going advertising and promotions and that would result in a huge drop in sales too
[1/24/2011 4:22:21 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and all my hard work with this site will be gone too..
[1/24/2011 4:27:17 PM] jerold Barton: I have my 1991 Mazda Miata for sales right now on Ebay. The auction will be ending on 1/29/11. If the car sells I will more than happiy to send you $2000 for the proceeds for your domain name. You can verify that this is true by going on Ebay and finding my car under 1991 Mazda Miiata listed for $2,900.
[1/24/2011 4:34:17 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: ok than when you are ready to make payment let me know
[1/24/2011 4:34:24 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and i’ll transfer the domain to u
[1/24/2011 4:38:38 PM] jerold Barton: Siva, are you talking about the the www.commerceus.com domain?
[1/24/2011 4:38:55 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: yes
[1/24/2011 4:39:08 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: thats the domain that brings in the traffic
[1/24/2011 4:39:14 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: not the domain you bought
[1/24/2011 4:40:28 PM] jerold Barton: I am willing to do that but the money will have to come from the sale of the car I have listed on ebay. Will that be alright with you?
[1/24/2011 4:47:13 PM] jerold Barton: If money starts coming in from the website purchased from you I will pay you right way from that money. My problem is I don’t have a clue how that money comes in or where it comes in and when it come in. I don’t know anything about it. I feel like I am way out in left field an know nothing.
[1/24/2011 4:48:30 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i am currently low on money to as i need it for the operation
[1/24/2011 4:49:04 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: how can i pay for them for the advertising and renewing
[1/24/2011 4:49:37 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i’m still short of $10,000
[1/24/2011 4:50:06 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: for other expenses too
[1/24/2011 4:50:10 PM] jerold Barton: Where is the $14K that the website generates going NOW?
[1/24/2011 4:50:42 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: It was used to pay for the operation
[1/24/2011 4:51:10 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and there is still more to pay including the travelling etc staying there for a month etc
[1/24/2011 4:52:10 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: an unlike other countries it takes 2-3 weeks to get the money we withdraw from paypal to our bank accounts
[1/24/2011 4:54:36 PM] jerold Barton: When will the revenue be coming to the site I purchased from you? If it will be coming soon I will certainly help you with some of those expense from the website revenue.
[1/24/2011 4:56:27 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: sales are coming in..but even if i am to withdraw them it takes about 2-3 weeks
[1/24/2011 4:56:35 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and i’m leaving in 10 days
[1/24/2011 4:59:14 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: even the amount i’m asking you now is considered to low for a site that makes $160,000 and more a year
[1/24/2011 4:59:38 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and i’m starting to have 2nd thoughts now..maybe i should just refund you the money you paid me
[1/24/2011 4:59:45 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and cancel off this sale of this website
[1/24/2011 5:16:07 PM] jerold Barton: Please do not consider doing that. I am sorry if I made you this upset. I certainly was not trying to upset you. I thought were were just discussing business and not trying to cause each other to have another heart attack. Would it be okay if we both signed off and relaxed for a while?
[1/24/2011 5:18:54 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: yes i understand same here.If you oculd not make an addtional $2000 atlest i will be refunding you the amount you sent me..sorry about this hope you understand my situation too
[1/24/2011 5:21:33 PM] jerold Barton: I do not understand what you wrote. Would you please rewrite it again. Thank you
[1/24/2011 5:22:26 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i meant to say if you are not able to purchase my old domain www.commerceus.com than i have no choice but to refund you the money you paid me for the site
[1/24/2011 5:22:58 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: there is no profit at all from the sale of this site
[1/24/2011 5:23:40 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i’d rather keep the site for myself if you are going to say you’ll pay me from the reveune from the site..i could rather keep the site and earn the same revenue
[1/24/2011 5:27:41 PM] jerold Barton: Are you saying the the money I paid for backlink-seo-services.info your going to keep? I don’t understand what you are saying.
[1/24/2011 5:28:00 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: no i will refund you the money
[1/24/2011 5:28:30 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: if you could not afford to pay another $2000 for my domain www.commerceus.com
[1/24/2011 5:33:21 PM] jerold Barton: If I borrowed the $2000 from a friend and sent it you via Western Union tomorrow can I trust you not go back on your work?
[1/24/2011 5:33:57 PM] jerold Barton: Sorry mean back on your WORD
[1/24/2011 5:34:55 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: yes than if you could do that i will be glad to transfer you everything including the domain
[1/24/2011 5:36:31 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: so please try to sent me the money asap so that i could start all the transfer process
[1/24/2011 5:36:44 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and complete everything as soon as possiable
[1/24/2011 5:44:05 PM] jerold Barton: The banks are closed here now it is 5:40PM. I will need to get money from a friend and get that into cash so I can purchase Western Union money transfer. It cost me $68 to send you $890 so it will probably cost over twice as much as that to send $2,000 because apparently the US dollar is not worth much in Singapore. I hope you will help not just drop me completely because I know nothing about either of these websites or anything about setting up how to get the monthly revenues. Not even a clue.
[1/24/2011 5:45:20 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: no don’t worry i’ll guide you on what you need to do and run the site
[1/24/2011 5:45:32 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: it’s not complicated..
[1/24/2011 5:45:38 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: it’s straight forward
[1/24/2011 5:51:51 PM] jerold Barton: Thank you please be patient I will do my best to get this to you tomorrow I have to round up the $2,000 plus the extra fee to send it. It could possibly go into the next day. I sure hope I can trust you as I am really going out on limb to get this money that we DON’T HAVE.
[1/24/2011 5:52:34 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: yes i understand..
[1/24/2011 5:52:42 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: let me know asap once it’s done
[1/24/2011 5:52:54 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i’ll wait for you mail
[1/24/2011 5:57:39 PM] jerold Barton: My wife has dinner ready and wants me to eat now. I will let you know once it is done. Please do not let us down. We are poor people. Thank you, Jerry
[1/24/2011 5:57:51 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: ok sure don’t worry
[1/24/2011 5:57:59 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: so i’ll just wait for your mail
[1/24/2011 5:58:04 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: see u soon online
[1/24/2011 5:58:08 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: bye for now
[1/25/2011 4:55:25 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: hi
[1/26/2011 5:57:47 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: hi
[2/2/2011 4:50:09 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: hi i have sent you a mail
[2/2/2011 4:50:58 PM] *** Call to SIVAKULMAR PILLAI, no answer. ***
[2/2/2011 4:51:12 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i can’t answer this call because i don’t have a mic
[2/2/2011 4:53:00 PM] jerold Barton: Sorry you are so upset. I truly did not mean to do that. The godaddy techinians got me thinking since they told me that commerceus.com was Forbidden and unavailable which really worried me.
[2/2/2011 4:53:34 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: no not at all
[2/2/2011 4:53:48 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i strongly suggest you dont listen to them
[2/2/2011 4:53:57 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i have been in this industry for long to know things
[2/2/2011 4:55:28 PM] jerold Barton: Sorry I guess I thought since they were helping and were techinians they new all about these kind of things. A certainly did not want to upset you.
[2/2/2011 4:55:32 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: the reason the site is not up is because i have not upload content yet
[2/2/2011 4:55:53 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: once i set things up all would be fine
[2/2/2011 4:56:22 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: but now i am worried and scared to transfer you the domain and set the site up,unless you pay me the remaining amount
[2/2/2011 4:56:32 PM] jerold Barton: I am confused I thought the the content was already uploaded in backlink-seo-services.info
[2/2/2011 4:56:36 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and i’ll be more than glad to set up everything for you
[2/2/2011 4:56:47 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: no the content was not up yet
[2/2/2011 4:56:51 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: as i have to upload some .sql files
[2/2/2011 4:57:19 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and the server on my side was down and it was up yesterday and when i saw your mail i removed them
[2/2/2011 4:58:12 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i was a man of my word,i transfered you a domani which cost more than what you are paying but you got me worried now
[2/2/2011 4:58:34 PM] jerold Barton: I am truly out of it I thought you said that backlink-seo-services.info was uploaded and you were going to take the data from that and download it to commerceus.com
[2/2/2011 4:58:59 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: no i had to upload data taken from my server..
[2/2/2011 4:59:07 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: what i did was to only transfer the domain to you
[2/2/2011 4:59:12 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: not the content and files etc
[2/2/2011 4:59:41 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and your main url/domain would have been www.commerceus.com
[2/2/2011 5:00:05 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: this was the original domain i had traffic and sales and which took me so many years to establish
[2/2/2011 5:01:53 PM] jerold Barton: Being unexperience and almost knowning nothing about all of this leaves me out in the dark. I should have been more patient and just waited for you to get it all done. I am very sorry I was to impatient and wanting it to happen quicker.
[2/2/2011 5:02:42 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: but that was not what you meant in the mail..you mentioned that you wanted the site live and running before you made the balance payment
[2/2/2011 5:03:22 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: and that was a little far from being reasonalbe as i trusted you and transfered my old domain which itself cost more than what you have paid or will pay
[2/2/2011 5:05:12 PM] jerold Barton: To tell you the truth that is really what I expected but now I am beginning to understand more clearly where you were coming from. We were not understanding each other expectations.
[2/2/2011 5:07:45 PM] jerold Barton: I wrote things I can see now that were out of order buy what you are telling me.
[2/2/2011 5:08:02 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: yes ..
[2/2/2011 5:08:18 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: so now do you still want the site get done and ready?
[2/2/2011 5:09:15 PM] jerold Barton: Are you willing to do that after me making a FOOL out of my self and saying hurtful things to you?
[2/2/2011 5:10:00 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: if you really are serious about this just make the balance payment and i’ll set everything up by today or tomorrow latest..
[2/2/2011 5:12:03 PM] jerold Barton: My wife was really mad at me because it was me that wrote that to you. She has not talked with me since she read what I had written you. She said it really imbarraced her that I would do that.
[2/2/2011 5:12:29 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: thats ok let’s forget about what happened
[2/2/2011 5:12:48 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: maybe we had some miscommunications ..but anyway i’m willing to give this another go..
[2/2/2011 5:13:16 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: so it would be good if you could make the remaining payment and i’ll set everything up asap for you..and get all this over with
[2/2/2011 5:16:05 PM] jerold Barton: Siva, how soon before your going to be leaving for your operation?
[2/2/2011 5:16:29 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: in about 5-7 days..
[2/2/2011 5:17:36 PM] jerold Barton: I have several appointments tomorrow out of town so it won’t be until the following day before I can get the rest of the money to you. Will that be okay?
[2/2/2011 5:18:34 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: ok once you make the balance payment i;ll transfer the domain back to you and start the uploading and get the site live
[2/2/2011 5:19:35 PM] jerold Barton: Thank you very much – I truly put my foot in my mouth. I thank you for forgiving me.
[2/2/2011 5:19:58 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: no problem..so just let me know when the payment is done ..thanks
[2/2/2011 5:20:14 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: i’ll have to leave soon..so just send me a mail if there’s anything
[2/2/2011 5:21:33 PM] jerold Barton: I will let you know and give you the number off the Westen Union Money Transfer but it won’t be until the day after next. You are a day ahead of us in Singapore.
[2/2/2011 5:21:42 PM] jerold Barton: All for now
[2/2/2011 5:22:20 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: it’s thursday here for you ..so it’s wednesday for you there i guess?
[2/2/2011 5:23:29 PM] jerold Barton: Yes, it is Wednesday here and it is 5:23 PM
[2/2/2011 5:23:53 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: ok so i should expect payment made on the firday for you and saturday for me
[2/2/2011 5:24:04 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: ok so just keep me informed by mail
[2/2/2011 5:24:06 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: thanks
[2/2/2011 5:24:39 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: please try to get payment done asap so that i could settle everything and guide you before i leave for my op
[2/2/2011 5:27:44 PM] jerold Barton: I will do that. I hope we can have a little more commication between us though email. I have a tendency to over react as you saw. More commication between us would make me feel more secure by keep more of an up-to-date progress report. Thank you and have a wonderful day. Jerry
[2/2/2011 5:28:05 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: sure you too,have a nice day
[2/2/2011 5:28:07 PM] SIVAKULMAR PILLAI: bye
[2/8/2011 7:33:57 PM] jerold Barton: Hi Siva, have not heard from you for a few days. Are you okay?
[2/8/2011 7:35:55 PM] jerold Barton: Hi Siva, have not heard from you for a few days. Are you okay?
[2/8/2011 7:37:30 PM] jerold Barton: I am not sure if this is connecting to you.
[2/8/2011 7:43:50 PM] jerold Barton: The last email I received from you, you thought you would be all done uploading either Sunday or Monday and then I believe you said instructions would follow. I hope you are okay. If you are not around to receive this skype message would you please update me by emai on the progress so far. thank you, Jerryl
[2/8/2011 7:59:22 PM] *** Call to SIVAKULMAR PILLAI, no answer. ***
[2/8/2011 8:00:10 PM] jerold Barton: Hi Siva, have not heard from you for a few days. Are you okay?
[2/8/2011 8:00:36 PM] *** Call to SIVAKULMAR PILLAI, no answer. ***
[2/8/2011 8:16:45 PM] *** Call to SIVAKULMAR PILLAI, no answer. ***
[2/8/2011 8:17:26 PM] jerold Barton: Hi Siva are you there?
[2/9/2011 3:31:17 AM] *** Call to SIVAKULMAR PILLAI, no answer. ***
[2/9/2011 3:32:02 AM] *** Call to SIVAKULMAR PILLAI, no answer. ***
[2/9/2011 8:14:17 AM] *** Call to SIVAKULMAR PILLAI, no answer. ***
[2/9/2011 8:14:32 AM] jerold Barton: Hi Siva, Checking to see if you are ok?
Here are my thoughts…
Jerold, your money is gone. I want to be direct with you. It is going to be nearly impossible to recover money from some scammer in Singapore. ALSO, BE SURE TO CHANGE YOUR GODADDY PASSWORDS!!!
I am sorry to break this bad news to you but you will probably never hear from Siva again. Of course if you write him and tell him that you now want the “travel website” and have saved up another $1600 I am sure he will suddenly respond again. But once you get him on Skype, what could you do then?
One thing that might help a bit is for you to share all the contact info you have for him such as email address, full name, where the money was sent, skype user name, etc. Perhaps this can be used to put a bunch of pressure on him but more than likely the only thing it can do is to possibly prevent this from happening to another victim.
I just want to use this to remind everyone of the sad reality — if you don’t know what you are doing when buying a website you are going to get burned. And, if you’re paying less than 10 months revenue for a site (site making $1000/mth equals at least $10,000) then something is wrong.
Jerold, I am so sorry this happened to you and your family. If you provide me more information I will try and see what I can do. In the meantime, I have added you to Skype and will provide you as much free mentoring as I can to try and get you on your feet. PLEASE, PLEASE, do NOT buy any other business opportunities!!
REMEMBER EVERYONE — NEVER INVEST MORE THAN YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE.
SCAM ALERT http://flippingethics.com/
Apr 21st
Posted by admin in flippingethics.com Chris Avell Catch Scammer
2 comments
http://flippingethics.com/ RUNNING BY Chris Avell FLIPPA.COM USER ID yourassassin trying to sell his website for the past 8 months but no one want to buy it and i admirer the smart buyers that didnt trust him and i think thy right because this site have 0Â profit and as a proof you can see that once the seller Chris Avell FLIPPA.COM USER ID yourassassin didnt get even 1 bid on the site he try the other way the URL HIDDEN its another way to scammer like Chris Avell to try and sell his NON PROFITABLE website.
THIS IS A LIST OF ALL HIS WEBSITES :
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http://www.dropshippingsucks.com
http://9MG.NET/
http://flusucks.com/
http://www.makeyourwifehot.com/
http://tangents.org/
http://flippingethics.com/
on all the websites that he trying to sell have the same income reports
this is his profile on flippa.com : he post 228 comment and 136 was deleted by flippa members so you can tell me if this is not a BIG RED FLAG ???